Hate Crime Committed at Hillsong 'Church'

      The recent stories coming out about Hillsong church and the back and forth over the recent revelations that a unrepentant homosexual couple is ministering in music- one leading, the other in a choir. The statements below are both from October 2014: 

NOTE: THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT TAKEN FROM PRESS CONFERENCE AUDIO  

Michael Paulson, The New York Times: Can I ask you to clarify something you said in regard to the relevance question? You brought up the subject of same sex marriage, and I wasn’t sure what you were saying. You’re now operating in New York and California where same sex marriage is legal. Can your pastors preside at same-sex marriages?

Brian Houston, Senior pastor of Hillsong Church: It can be challenging for churches to stay relevant. Because many mainstream churches upheld what they would believe is the long established view of what the Bible says about homosexuality. But the world has changed around and about them. On the subject, I always feel like there’s three things. There’s the world we live in, there’s the weight we live with, and there’s the word we live by. The world, the weight, and the word.

And to me, the world we live in, whether we like it or not is changing around and about us. Homosexual marriage is legal in [New York City] and will be probably in most Western world countries within a short time. So the world’s changing and we want to stay relevant as a church. So that’s a vexing thing. You think, “How do we not become a pariah?” So that’s the world we live in.

Then the weight we live with is the reality that in churches like ours and virtually any other church, there are young people who have serious questions about their sexuality. And who maybe, hypothetically speak to a youth pastor and says, “I think, you know, I’m gay.” And maybe they feel a sense of rejection there. Or maybe even their own Christian parents can’t handle it and exclude them at the time when they are most vulnerable in their life.

So you can have churches—not just our church, but churches—young people who are literally are depressed, maybe even suicidal and, sadly, often times grow up to hate the church because they feel that the church rejected them. So there’s the world we live in, the weight we live with, and then the word we live by.

The word we live by is what the Bible says. And it would be much easier if you could feel like all of those three just easily lined up. But they don’t necessarily. And that’s what Carl [Lentz] always says for us, it’s a conversation. For us, it’s easy to reduce what you think about homosexuality to just a public statement. And that would keep a lot of people happy. But we feel at this point, it is an ongoing conversation, that the real issues in people’s lives are too important for us to just reduce it down to a “yes” or “no” answer in a media outlet.

So we’re on the journey with it, aren’t we?

         Source  

Josh's Pastor, Carl Lentz, weighs in:  

Carl Lentz, pastor of Hillsong’s New York City location, made similar statements on CNN in June, saying Hillsong in New York City has “a lot of gay men and women” and he hopes it stays that way. But he declines to address the matter in public because, in part, Jesus never did. 

“Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent,” Lentz told CNN. “And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people.  You won’t find it because he never did.” 

Lentz’s wife, Laura, chimed in: “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That’s their journey. 

Source

Which seem to agree with the testimony of Josh Canfield, seen in this twitter post from him: 

We’re writing this post in response to so many of you who have kindly reached out. You’ve been wondering why we have been getting so many hateful comments on all of our social media in the past week, in which some of you have been tagged or engaged.

The drama that is unfolding at the moment all revolves around the fact that we have been heavily involved in our church, Hillsong NYC. Josh has been with Hillsong for eight years in a variety of ways: choir director, vocal director, and worship team. I've been there since the beginning of our relationship, over three years ago, and eventually began singing in the choir and opening my apartment as the gathering place for a connect group for Hillsong members in the Broadway and theatrical communities.

We have been open and forthright about our relationship from the get-go.Due to our openness and very public appearance together on CBC’s “Survivor”, we have been in conversation with Hillsong NYC's lead pastors regarding the church's non-LGBT affirming stance. Hillsong has many campuses around the world, many in places where gay marriage is now legal, so this has been an ongoing dialogue trying to figure out how and where we, as part of the LGBT community, fit in. As a church family, we have been wading through these uncharted waters of shifting culture and social change. 

     So for the past eight years, Josh Canfield has been in a conversation with his pastors, who have stated  that "Hillsong in New York City has “a lot of gay men and women” and he hopes it stays that way." The Pastor's wife argues “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That’s their journey". 

     This is in opposition to scripture. A hate crime is being committed at Hillsong. 

     And it is not the only 'church' in which hate crimes are being committed in the name of relevance in a changing culture. Both my wife and I have personally experienced similar hate crimes in churches that we used to attend. We were personally and directly offended and affected by the lifestyle sins of others, and both of our (separate) pastors stated, as Laura Lentz stated above, "Its not our place to tell anyone how they should live. Thats their journey."

     It is clear that though Brian Houston has stated recently that he agrees with the teachings of the Apostle Paul that he and Pastor Lentz disagree with the ecclesiology of the Apostle Paul: 

1 Corinthians 5: 9-13 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you"

1. The Hate Crime that the Hillsong Church is committing is towards God Himself: This is called blasphemy. It is saying something about God, or Jesus, that is simply not true. When you affirm that someone is a Christian (bears the name of brother) by allowing a 'conversation' (translation: keep coming to church while we figure out if XYZ is sin or not) or when you refuse to judge someone in your church who is living an unrepentant and immoral lifestyle, you are blaspheming God- as are they by calling themselves Christians while they continue to live in unrepentant lifestyle. And this is not just about homosexuals- it is all sexual immorality (adultery, fornication)- as well as greedy people, idolaters, swindlers, drunkards- if these things mark the lifestyle of a person who calls themselves a Christian they are blaspheming God. If the church refuses to deal with it directly, they are also blaspheming God. 

2. The second hate crime is refusing to judge those who are in the body. Paul commands that we are not to judge or treat outsiders in this way, but those who are in the Church who are being immoral we are to judge, because it is a loving thing to do! It is loving to the sinner, for the hope of church discipline is that they will repent (Vs 5). It is also loving to the church as a whole for a little leaven - a little impurity- affects the whole body (Vs 6). So the disease of sin spreads, and weakens the entire body.  

3. The third hate crime is against scripture itself: Brian Houston equates  the world- culture- and the weight- the impact of how we deal with people- to the gravity and importance of scripture (the Word). In the church, the Word stands supreme as the unchanging standard. The culture shifts, the way people respond and feel shifts, but the Word of God stands firm. The church is a unique place in the world. By the nature of the church we are counter-cultural. We are not called to "stay relevant"- to compromise with the world system, we are called to be different (sanctified, set apart, holy 1 Peter 1:15-17, 2:9-12) because we are the Bride of Christ. The harshest penalties for God's people in the Old Testament is when they played the whore/adulteress with the cultures around them (God's words, not mine). The same is true with the Bride of Christ. We are called to be holy, separate, and unique. We are not to love the world (system of values opposed to Christ) or the things in the world (1 John 2:15). 

4. The fourth Hate Crime is against the sinner who is fooled into thinking he/she can still be a Christian and live in unrepentant sin. let us look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-10:

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 

When we try and compromise, and refuse to tell the truth as Pastors and ministers, we are shirking our sacred responsibility. We are joining hands with the deceiver. It is as though Carl Lentz and Brian Houston are saying "go ahead and be deceived for a while while we decide from the world and the weight whether God's Word has changed". In essence, Pastor Houston and Lentz and any other minister who refuses to warn people who are in their flocks are keeping them from the good news of the Gospel. It is not a conversation, or a negotiation- God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) and obey the Gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8). Obedience is a result of repentance and belief in Jesus. Obedience flows out of a heart that is grateful and filled with the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 6 continues with the good news result of the Gospel: 

11And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

It is the good news: We used to be that way, but when we repent and obey/believe the Gospel, we are washed clean of our sin, set apart for holy use, as we are declared NOT GUILTY of all the things we have done. We are also given the power of the Holy Spirit who indwells and empowers our new character and nature (2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 2:10) so that we are no longer enslaved and controlled by sin. 

Before that can happen, however, we need to quit having conversations about what sin is and is not, and just put ourselves under the authority of the Word of God. However, too many churches have decided to fear man (this is where compromise and conversation come in) instead of God. Many modern mega churches have put their trust in the methodologies and methods of man to grow their churches (Hillsong is one of many). While this could be an amazing platform to proclaim the truth of the Gospel, the same methods produce the fear that if you don't compromise, or if you do proclaim the Word of God as written, you will lose members. The fear of man causes us to make small, incremental compromises with culture which soon leaven the entire lump, and at that point, they are no longer a Christian church. 

How do you fix this? 

1. Stand on the Word of God: When it comes to the Church, the Word of God is the only standard of faith and practice. We do not have to deal with the World, for we are not of the World. We do not have to deal with weight; for God will deal with those that are outside the church (and God the Holy Spirit is already doing His work on them).
2. Practice church discipline: When someone is living a lifestyle that belies the fact that they are a Christian or behaving in a manner which brings dishonor to Christ, we are called to confront them, and if they will not repent, put them out of our fellowship. It is with the hope that they will be restored.
3. Preach the Whole Counsel of God: Do not cherry pick various verses to support your theology (belief about God) but rather preach the whole counsel of God, which includes themes like sin, hell, judgment, wrath- as well as repentance, Gospel, regeneration (being Born Again) forgiveness and grace. 
4. Proclaim the Gospel: That man is dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1-3) but that God is rich in mercy (Ephesians 2:4) and sent his Son Jesus to live a perfect, sinless life, die a sinners death, and be resurrected on the third day (1 Corinthians 15) so that we may be born again (John 3:3, 5, 16-17) if we will repent (turn from our sins, turn to Christ) (Mark 1:15) and place our entire trust in Christ we can be saved (Romans 5:1, 10:9-10,
   2 Corinthians 5:17, 21). 

Brian Houston has issued a new statement; Let us read it with the eyes of scripture:

I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has “an openly gay couple directing a choir” at our New York City campus. Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture. As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well. It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

Now let us consider how Paul, using scripture, might have written this statement: 

God's Word is clear on the sin of homosexuality (as well as all other sexual sins). Let us make something quite clear: If you are in a lifestyle of sin- any sin, our position is clear: We will confront you privately, remove you from ministry immediately, and observe you consistently before you are restored. The scripture is clear on the fact that we are to judge those within our fellowship. This is for the glory of God and the benefit of the other members. The members in question are on a journey in rebellion against God. It is the role of the church to shine the light of the Gospel on them and command them to repent- that is to turn from the journey they are on and turn to Christ. We will do so with grace and compassion so that we will not fall into sin ourselves. If they will repent, we will restore them. If they repent not, they will be on the outside looking in. 



The two men in question are still singing at the church, and encouraging their gay friends to remain and participate at Hillsong church. This is a tragedy, for clearly, there is not enough preaching the whole counsel of God that these men will feel uncomfortable and perhaps repent of their particular lifestyle sin. I suspect there are many greedy, swindlers, drunkards, and liars that feel very comfortable that their sin will remain hidden and blessed by their church. 

   

The Ghouls Among Us: Babies BORN ALIVE and Killed.....

The irony and deception of planned parenthood should be evident; except for those blinded by the god of this world- Satan- (Ephesians 2:1-3, 2 Corinthians 4:4).

• Planned Parenthood/The Pro-Murder crowd want to convince you that a baby in the mother's womb is just a blob of cells- Yet in two previous videos they are talking about harvesting tissues human organs from babies that they allow to be born partially and then crush the skull.

• In this video, we hear this 'doctor' proclaim "its a boy" - the same she and her cohorts claim is just a 'fetus'

• The president of PP, The president of the US, and all his liberal cronies in congress ignore the fact that this is happening, claiming that planned parenthood is a needed thing providing health services to the underprivileged. Since when does health care involve murder? 

Abortion at its root comes from a denial of God as creator, which devalues human life as simply a product of a host of changes over time. Evolution says that we are animals, and actually we have a lower value than some animals (see the uproar over Cecil the Lion).  Denial of what all humans know about God and His creative power leads to ungodliness, which leads to unrighteousness, which eventually turns into a depraved mind. 

Romans 1:18-32 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Are you giving approval through silence? 

     This leads to lack of conscience, which is evidenced in our country's continued support of 'a woman's right to choose'. You would think these videos would be enough to stop abortion in our country all together, but our nation is under the wrath of God (see above) evidenced by the society's blindness to this evil. Even professing christians are apathetic to this and other societal evidence that God is removing His hand of grace from our country as His wrath is being poured out.  Abortion is worse than the holocaust, and yet many who call themselves Christians continue to remain silent on the issue. They refuse to be 'one issue voters' and vote for people who will actually address the human justice issue of our time. They believe that if they make a stand for righteousness, they will be seen as unloving and judgmental. 

Though liberals deny it, the comparison to the holocaust is not that far off; Hitler was a negative eugenist, which has to do with the breeding of a 'master race' and ultimately included the murder of over 6,000,000 Jews. 

Nazi eugenics were Nazi Germany's racially based social policies that placed the biological improvement of the Aryan race or Germanic "Übermenschen" master race through eugenics at the center of Nazi ideology.^[1] Those humans targeted were largely living in private and state-operated institutions, identified as "life unworthy of life" (German: Lebensunwertes Leben), including but not limited to prisoners, degenerate, dissident, people with congenital cognitive and physical disabilities (including feebleminded, epileptic, schizophrenic, manic-depressive, cerebral palsy, neuroatypicals, muscular dystrophy, deaf, blind) (German: erbkranken), homosexual, idle, insane, and the weak, for elimination from the chain of heredity. More than 400,000 people were sterilized against their will, while more than 300,000 were killed under Action T4, a euthanasia program.^{[2][3][4] --Wikipedia}

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, came before Hitler, as did the U.S. eugenics program. Have you ever wondered why a disproportionate amount of Planned Parenthood clinics murder mills are in communities dominated by people of color?  It is because Margaret Sanger (hero of Hilary Clinton) was also a negative eugenist. Check out these quotes from the one who Planned Parenthood says "Sanger’s early efforts remain the hallmark of Planned Parenthood’s mission.”

1) “[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children… [Women must have the right] to live … to love… to be lazy … to be an unmarried mother … to create… to destroy… The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order… The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” – Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922 

2) “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”– Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976 

3) “Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.

“I think you must agree… that the campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics… Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the eugenic educator.

“As an advocate of birth control I wish… to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the ‘unfit’ and the ‘fit,’ admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation.

“On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”– Margaret Sanger. “The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda.” Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5 

4) “Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying… demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism…

“[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. 

“Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant…

“We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.” – Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922, pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition 

5)  “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.” – Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922, page 12 

6) “One fundamental fact alone, however, indicates the necessity of Birth Control if eugenics is to accomplish its purpose…

“Before eugenists and others who are laboring for racial betterment can succeed, they must first clear the way for Birth Control. Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit. Both are seeking a single end but they lay emphasis upon different methods.”– Margaret Sanger. “Birth Control and Racial Betterment,” Feb 1919 

7) The government ought to “apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”

And the government should “give certain dysgenic groups (those with ‘bad genes’) in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.” – Margaret Sanger, “A Plan for Peace.” Birth Control Review, April 1932, pages 107-108 

8) “The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.” – Margaret Sanger. Speech quoted in Birth Control: What It Is, How It Works, What It Will Do. The Proceedings of the First American Birth Control Conference. Held at the Hotel Plaza, New York City, November 11-12, 1921. Published by the Birth Control Review, pages 172 and 174 .

9) “There is only one reply to a request for a higher birthrate among the intelligent, and that is to ask the government to first take the burden of the insane and feeble-minded from your back. [Mandatory] sterilization for these is the answer.” – Margaret Sanger, “The Function of Sterilization.” Birth Control Review, October 1926.

10) “In passing, we should here recognize the difficulties presented by the idea of ‘fit’ and ‘unfit.’ Who is to decide this question? The grosser, the more obvious, the undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind. But among the writings of the representative Eugenists [sic], one cannot ignore the distinct middle-class bias that prevails.”– Margaret Sanger, quoted in Charles Valenza. “Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?” Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44 .

11) Birth control: “To create a race of thoroughbreds.”– Margaret Sanger, “Unity.” The Birth Control Review, Nov 1921.

12) “Hordes of people [are] born, who live, yet who have done absolutely nothing to advance the race one iota. Their lives are hopeless repetitions… Such human weeds clog up the path, drain up the energies and the resources of this little earth. We must clear the way for a better world; we must cultivate our garden.”– Margaret Sanger. Birth Control: Facts and Responsibilities, 1925. 

     Not only are people who murder babies heartless, they are also racist at the core. Margaret Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, and still seen as a 'hero' of that movement. One of her goals, like Hitler's, was to make a master race that looked like her. Again, however, the communities of color are blinded to this fact. Again, when one denies what they know about God, their understanding becomes darkened.

     What should we do about this? Speak up. Make people aware of the evils of abortion Gospel. Repentance and faith, and the ensuing change of character and nature is the only thing that will change a person's mind about life. It is the change of individuals that changes cultures. If you are a Christian, proclaim the Gospel far and wide so that people will be converted and immediately see the value of life.

The Work of Regeneration, Conversion, and Sanctification

The Ghouls among Us: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts **Updated**

There are ghouls among us. Dr. Deborah Nucatola of Planned Parenthood is one of them. 


On this video, she eats salad and drinks wine as she casually describes tearing infants as old as 24 weeks old out of his mothers womb in such a manner as to preserve body parts for sale. She describes the illegal procedure of partial birth abortion- murder even according to the federal code- so as to preserve organs and muscles to sell off to the highest bidder.

“A lot of people want intact hearts these days, because they’re looking for specific nodes,” explained Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Senior Director of Medical Services, to investigators who were posing as a Fetal Tissue Procurement Company last year.

Perhaps most disturbing was the fact that Nucatola calmly discussed the sale of babies’ body parts over lunch. “Like I said, always as many intact livers as possible. People just want – some people want lower extremities too, which, that’s simple. I mean that’s easy,” she said, right before taking a bite of her salad.

Nucatola said each “specimen” could range anywhere from $30 to $100, so abortionists are very careful to try and keep the most lucrative parts intact.

“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part. I’m going to basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

Another bite of salad.

Nucatola then offered some advice to buyers, who she said should contact abortionists before a procedure so the latter knows what the “endgame” is (which body parts they want), for they can then change their techniques accordingly to increase “success.”  HT townhall.com

She then goes on to justify her actions, saying that laws are up to interpretation. Further, she details a 'clearinghouse' run by Planned Parenthood so that the 'healthcare providers (murderers) would be held harmless from any kind of lawsuit coming from these actions. In other words, this clearinghouse would take the fall for all of the healthcare providers murderers. 

I do not know how you hold the law below to interpretation...

Oh, I guess I do see how they justify it: 

 Actually it is simple. We live in a world that is run by Satan (Ephesians 2:1-3), and people in the world, demonstrated by their wicked ways, show that they are controlled and energized by Satan.  We should not be surprised that those who are controlled by Satan and are of a depraved mind (Romans 1:28) could come up with schemes like this and justify them. 

What are the takeaways for believers? I can think of a few. 

• We need to redouble our efforts in our churches and households to train and disciple people as to the value of life as well as the connection between obedience and loving God.
• Whether you spend time ministering at Abortion Clinics, or in the coffee shop on the corner- we need to win people to Christ. It is the only way that this evil can be done away with in our time by changing the very character and nature of those who support abortion and other wicked practices.
• Abortion is a modern holocaust- we must speak up for life. How and when you do it is up to you, doing it is no longer an option. 
• Talk to those you have spoken to before that disagree about abortion, and see if they still feel the same way after this news. Then share the gospel with them. 
• Look up- Jesus is coming soon! 
• This is an issue that can be dealt with by our government, as there are laws. Contact your congressman, senator, and legislature and DEMAND that the law is enforced in this case and defund Planned Parenthood. 

This is an issue of justice in our time, and I believe the church is largely asleep and silent on the issue. We must wake up- and take action to stand up and speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. Their blood comes from the ground and accuses us in our inaction and apathy. It is in part because of our inaction and silence that the atrocity of abortion continues in our country. 

Rise up Church! 


UPDATE!

A second video has surfaced.....this woman wants a Lamborghini

Should She Preach? Part 4a: What does silence mean?

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 

     There has been many times on the street which I have been preaching and I have quite a few good hecklers. I also have bad hecklers who barrage me with different questions before I can answer the previous question. More often than not I can use some simple teaching techniques I learned in my first career to be able to get the questions done in order.

     As I was studying today in this passage, I envisioned the same going on in a church. While the preacher is opening up God’s Word, exhorting and instructing the saints, a bunch of people stand up with their own things to say. They may be valid points, they may be good things, but none the less they are a distraction to what should be going on in the church meeting: saints being built up and equipped by the preaching of the Word. 

     What is appropriate and acceptable on the streets for the purpose of Evangelism is not acceptable in the house of worship. I also imagine that this was what was going on in Corinth with both men and women. Everybody was so excited about the use of their gifts of the Spirit that utter chaos ensued. Everybody wanted to manifest their gift at once and no one could be built up or equipped because of the chaos that was happening. Throughout the book, we see a bunch of former pagans that have been converted, but they bring their old pagan manners and pagan practices into the church. When it comes to the Lords Table, it is a free-for-all. When it comes to prophesy and tongues, everybody wanted to do it at once. There was no sense of order, no sense of propriety, indeed no sense of worship.

     For the purpose of this current discussion, however, there are those who would want to pull this verse right out of the direct context in which it appears. They do this to their peril, and do damage to the Word of God in the process. There are some things that we can agree on that the scripture teaches: In the context of the church and church government the line of authority is

Jesus Christ~>Elder/Pastor~>Husband~>Wife.

Single women simply replace husband with father, or have direct authority under the Pastor/Elder. In the Home, we have

Jesus Christ ~> Husband~>Wife~>Children.

     Wives are under the authority of their own husbands. From the time of the curse, women have had desire for the position of their husband, that is, his God-given authority. This can cause problems in the church as well as in the home. This is likely what was happening in the church at Corinth. The relationship of authority outside of the church is that a married woman is under her husbands authority, protection, and care wherever she goes. She is not under the direct authority of any other man once she is married.

     One more thing that we can make very clear from the Pastoral epistles and from the created order is that in the context of the church and the home women are not to be in the position of Eldership/Leadership within the church. While Paul clearly allows a woman to prophesy (teach, refute, reprove, admonish, and comfort) within the church, he does not allow her to be the authority. I believe that this means that a woman can minister in the context of the church while she is under headship of the Elder/Pastor and her husband. The greatest downfall of a woman in this position is the desire to usurp authority, so the Elder/Pastor and Husband must help her to keep this desire in check.

     Being careful to understand that Paul goes further into church hierarchy and roles in 1 Timothy and in Titus, we will take these verses in their context to understand what the instruction is. That being said, this verse is a clear and shocking verse if you pull it out of context. It seems clear by pulling it out of context that Paul is restricting the speaking of women at any time under any circumstances in the context of the church. First, what is the church? The Greek term ἐκκλησία ekklēsia means either (i) The entire community of all who are called by and to Christ. (ii) The NT Churches as confined to particular places; every church in which the character of the church as a whole is repeated. We must assume (ii) in this context. Paul is speaking about the churches as confined to particular places, in this case, Corinth. He is also giving a principle to the larger church. The principle is to be found in verse 40:

40But all things should be done decently and in order.

That is not what was happening in Corinth. Let us look to the entire passage so that we can get context.

What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But all things should be done decently and in order.

(1 Corinthians 14:26-40, ESV)

     The issue here that Paul was addressing was the gifts of the Spirit and their use within the church. He was even discussing the more excellent way- that of love. In the manifesting of the gifts in Corinth, it seems, there was a bit of pride and one-upmanship as there was also at the Lord’s table. It was not just a Pastor or an elder at the front giving a sermon; everyone who had a hymn, or a tongue, or a prophesy seemed to want to share simultaneously. What transpired was confusion. People were not being edified or built up, they were being confused. This was not of God. ( we see the same ridiculous behavior in many charismatic churches today). What Paul suggested here was that people would go one at a time, and that the prophets who were not speaking would measure what the others were saying. If one got a clear word from God, the others were to defer. That if one wanted to speak in tongues that there had to be an interpreter or the tongue speaker was to remain silent. In other words, it is not just the women that were to remain silent. All things decently and in order.

     There was another spirit at work here; there were women who were asking questions aloud and in doing so were being disruptive. In the direct context, they may have been speaking up and judge prophecies. Both activities were done in a way that seemed to subvert male headship, specifically questioning prophesies. This command was to be followed for the service of worship. Note again Paul is talking about the meeting together of the local church fellowship. This principle of submission to the God- ordained authority in the fellowship and/or to her husband was required.

     So does this supersede the instruction in 11:5 and 13? Did God through Paul change his mind? Certainly not. The key is location and authority. In the formal meeting of the church, in the service of worship as it were, the woman is not to speak. The men are to speak, but decently and in order- submitting one to another out of love for Jesus. Does this idea preclude the woman teaching Sunday School? Many good God-honoring and Bible-believing people fall on both sides of this issue. Should women be restricted to teaching other women and children? Each local church should decide according to their reading of the scripture. However it is clear that in the main meeting of the church there is not to be women speaking. If they want clarification on what is being said, she should ask her husband at home. This means, husbands, that your job is not done when you walk out of church on Sunday. You are the minister of the home and responsible for the spiritual education of your wife and children.

     This scripture has nothing to do with women evangelizing – even if that means preaching in the open air. This is written to the assembly of local believers- the church manifested locally. When the word of God is proclaimed in the church, it is meant for the edification and the building up and equipping of the saints. The reason for being done decently and in order- with the women remaining silent- is that this is the food of those who are born-again and are walking in the Spirit. All the gifts are to be used for the glory of God, in love, for the building up and equipping of the saints. In the open air, there is a different audience and a different purpose. The gospel call is a command for lost people to repent and to trust Jesus. It is a call for all Christians to go, and in our going, go- with the goal of fulfilling the great commission by making converts that become disciples that are baptized (immersed) into Christ, and taught all things that Jesus has commanded us. This commission is for all Christians, regardless of sex, age, race- regardless. There is no prohibition in scripture for anyone to evangelize.